[Icehouse] Icehouse / Treehouse forum?

[David Artman]

Oh, tell us what you REALLY think.

On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Joshua Kronengold <mneme at io.com> wrote:

> David Artman writes:
> >HAHAHAHA! See my point, now, folks?
> There's no response to this that doesn't exceed the bounds of
> courtesy.


What gave you the impression I was laughing at you, that you would have to
be discourteous to reply? I was laughing at how, instantly, there was a
suggestion to move to one of several possibilities not yet mentioned.

"Generous reading" - look it up.


> >that backing would be disabling this listserv, to force a transition.
> This is why it will never happen.
> The fact that you cannot comprehend why this step would be a terrible
> idea is why your behavior far, far exceeds the bounds of courtesy.


I can only presume that the "bounds of courtesy," then, translates to "may
never be critical, nor express frustration, nor point out the falsehoods
other present as compelling reasoning." Actually... pretty much par for the
course.

It it not a service to anyone--particularly to a community of volunteers and
supporters--to put an expectation of false cheeriness (or a gag) on its
members.

But go ahead and edify me: what would be so "terrible" about moving to
groupware, because I (and hundreds of millions of professionals and
hobbiest) don't seem to understand the horrid pitfalls await me (us).


> This isn't about conservatism or anything except your own ego, and
> your desire that other people be forced to use the tools you want to
> use.


My ego, eh? Yeah, it's REALLY getting pumped up by THIS conversation, boy
howdy!

Dude, I am merely chiming in with others who KNOW that groupware is more
powerful than a 1990 listserv application. And as for my being Mr. Evil
Force The Poor Masses into the Pits of Hell--spare me, bub. You're only
professing ignorance:
* Sign up for listserv: Go to site, enter e-mail, click OK. Receive emails.
* Sign up for group: Go to site, enter e-mail, click OK, set Prefs to "Email
Subscription" (on GG, this is the default for new members, IIRC, and thus
this step may be omitted). Receive emails.

So what YOU are saying, then, is that those of us who could make excellent
use of groupware's functionality **above and beyond its functionality as a
listserv** must make a break from the "community" because some subset of
that community won't do the four (or five?) mouse-clicks it takes to set
their preferences to match a "normal" listserv. And you call ME egotistical
and "forcing" things on others? I'd say you are stolid and tradition-bound
and want the rest of us to slog through the mire you so-love. So what?
Insulting each other is a poor means of persuasion (but, then again, I guess
you don't care to be persuasive--probably because you know how weak your
case is: the typical cause for shifting from argument to rhetoric).

Whatever....

The fact (FACT) remains that one method offers much and asks nothing from
those who would not take advantage of the additional offerings. "More of the
same is fine by me" is NOT an argument--it's a preference, it's
conservativeness.
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