[Icehouse] Forum v List

[Joe Yeti]

Aren't Google Groups restricted to Google users and/or do not other mail
users have problems using them to their full potential?

J.

On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Christopher Hickman <tophu at mac.com> wrote:

> On Friday, March 07, 2008, at 10:33AM, "David Artman" <
> david.artman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >I have not seen a modern forum system which does not allow e-mail
> >subscription. Ever. So folks who "threaten" pack up their toys and go
> home
> >if we move to a forum are just being willful (or ignorant). Period.
>
> Put me in the ignorant group.  If I can configure a forum to work just
> like a mailing list for me, I'm happy.  I can't go look at Joe's new forum
> thing to check it out, because most all forum sites are blocked by my
> employer (one reason I prefer a mailing list).
>
> >Google Groups allows the admin to specify the footer--thus,
> >it could be blank. But even THIS list has a footer, so even
> >THAT's a non-criticism.
>
> Google Apps is AWESOME.  I replaced my company's monthly hosting bill with
> zero by moving to Google Apps.  I haven't used the groups thing yet, though.
>  If it can be configured as you say, and folks can set it to be able to send
> and receive to the group exclusively with their mail client, I say we do it.
>
> >(Cue tedious explanations about how every Official action requires hours
> of
> >agonized deliberation and communications to the four corners of the
> office,
> >etc....)
>
> Boy, your bitterness is showing, David. Have a beer. ;)
>
> >What never gets mentioned is that the list is actually inefficient, for
> some
> >things. Photos? Nope. Want to share a file? Go find hosting and hope your
> >message with your link is noticed (and can be found by a reasonable
> archive
> >search). Planning something? Where is the Calendar function on this list?
> >...Oh, right... lists don't have ANY other functionality other than group
> >e-mail management. Gee...
>
> Google Apps offers a lot here...
>
> >Folks, face the facts: those who want a list-like experience can have it
> >trivially, with a web group/forum. But those who want the groupware
> >functions offered by most forums and groupware applications... we're
> >screwed. The use of a listserv is, flatly, prejudicial with no real
> benefit
> >to those enforcing the prejudice.
>
> I can't speak for the others who were hotly on the "Keep The Mailing List"
> side of the fence in the previous fights, but nobody ever mentioned a
> solution that maintains the mailing list interface as well.  I'll be that
> most were in the ignorance camp with me. :)
>
> >It's just, plain stupid. 1990 technology, defended only by blind
> >conservatives or people utterly terrified of change.
>
> Blind conservatives? Is that another way to describe the ignorance camp?
> ;)
>
> >NOW it's a fight? Happy?
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAND in THIS corner...
>
> Topher
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