[Icehouse] Re: Icehouse Digest, Vol 32, Issue 6

[Sam Zitin]

I discovered a nifty little games case idea a few years ago.  I bought a
Crystal Caste Battle hive (intended as a miniatures case) and took the 2"
thick foam insert and cut 5 slots into it.  Each slot perfectly holds 2
tubes of Icehouse pieces.  Additionally the case holds all my other looney
games and a good sampling of my dice collection (of course put into custom
foam trays).  I should put up some pictures at some point

On Jan 8, 2008 3:00 PM, <icehouse-request at lists.looneylabs.com> wrote:

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>   1. RE: Laser-cut Icehouse storage (Bob Winans)
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>   3. Re: Laser-cut Icehouse storage (Marc Hartstein)
>   4. Re: Laser-cut Icehouse storage (Simon Budig)
>   5. Re: Laser-cut Icehouse storage (Jorge Arroyo)
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> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:23:51 -0500
> From: "Bob Winans" <rwinans at stny.rr.com>
> Subject: RE: [Icehouse] Laser-cut Icehouse storage
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> Again.. Very cool case! Much nicer looking then mine.
>
> My setup is a plastic storage bin with locking sides and a top handle.
> It looks very unimpressive but it stores all my LL stuff.
>
> As to the treehouse vs. Single color stash, I took the simplest route.
> I have one stash of every standard color and a stash of grey in single
> color
> tubes (6 tubes total), then I have four treehouse style stashes, three are
> the standard treehouse colors and one Xeno stash.
>
> This covers any game you could want to play from treehouse to mega volcano
> to Zendo.
>
> It also holds: fluxx, eco fluxx, family fluxx, zombie fluxx, chrononauts,
> nano-fictionary, AYAW, Zendo, three house, cosmic coasters, my 5x5 wooden
> volcano board, Aquarius, Martian coasters (2 sets), q-turn, some extra
> large
> D6's,a carrot box, bunchs of promo cards and catalogs and a ton of little
> glass stones.
>
> It's my "I'm doing a demo" box.
>
>  -Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: icehouse-bounces at lists.looneylabs.com
> [mailto:icehouse-bounces at lists.looneylabs.com] On Behalf Of Carl Worth
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:52 AM
> To: Icehouse Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Laser-cut Icehouse storage
>
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:31:52 -0700, David Artman wrote:
> > I *is* a nice case, but I'd have to agree with Bob regarding all the
> > loose items. Plus, if you have no tubes, you can't play Moon Shot, Ice
> > Golf, or Drip (some of the cooler dexterity games, IMHO).
>
> I've gone back and forth about the tubes. Originally, I carried my
> pyramids tubeless, (but packed fairly tight), in a small case and I
> liked that.
>
> More recently, I've been carrying things tubed up and the tubes all
> thrown fairly loosely into a small bag. And I have taught both Moon
> Shot and Drip with some good success with that, (I should take another
> look at Ice Golf sometime).
>
> But one thing that still annoys me about the tubes is getting at the
> pyramids I need. I still go back and forth between keeping each tube
> filled Treehouse-like or single-color. And invariably if I want to
> play a game like Icetowers requiring single colors I find my tubes all
> Treehoused, and when I keep the tubes holding single-color stashes
> someone asks to play Martian Coasters.
>
> So when Simon showed me his case photos earlier, he mentioned how easy
> it is to pull out a single row of pyramids and leave the others
> undisturbed. And that definitely sounds appealing. There's still the
> rows-vs-columns conundrum for colors, but it looks easier to handle
> the "wrong" arrangement with Simon's case rather than with tubes.
>
> Meanwhile, I've twice found that a tube lid has popped off leading to
> a bunch of spilled pyramids at the bottom of my bag. But fortunately I
> haven't lost anything to that yet.
>
> -Carl
>
> PS. But any excuse for doing laser-cutting is super-cool anyway. I'm
> quite looking forward to services like ponoko.com growing up and
> becoming affordable enough that I can get custom-shaped acrylic any
> time I feel like it.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:26:31 -0500
> From: miyu <xmiyux at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Laser-cut Icehouse storage
> To: rwinans at stny.rr.com,        "Icehouse Discussion List"
>        <icehouse at lists.looneylabs.com>
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> I have about 21 Treehouse stashes all in their tubes sitting in a cabinet
> in
> my classroom. :lol:
>
> You guys are making me very very jealous with the sweet cases.
>
>                     -Ryan
>
> On Jan 8, 2008 12:23 PM, Bob Winans <rwinans at stny.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Again.. Very cool case! Much nicer looking then mine.
> >
> > My setup is a plastic storage bin with locking sides and a top handle.
> > It looks very unimpressive but it stores all my LL stuff.
> >
> > As to the treehouse vs. Single color stash, I took the simplest route.
> > I have one stash of every standard color and a stash of grey in single
> > color
> > tubes (6 tubes total), then I have four treehouse style stashes, three
> are
> > the standard treehouse colors and one Xeno stash.
> >
> > This covers any game you could want to play from treehouse to mega
> volcano
> > to Zendo.
> >
> > It also holds: fluxx, eco fluxx, family fluxx, zombie fluxx,
> chrononauts,
> > nano-fictionary, AYAW, Zendo, three house, cosmic coasters, my 5x5
> wooden
> > volcano board, Aquarius, Martian coasters (2 sets), q-turn, some extra
> > large
> > D6's,a carrot box, bunchs of promo cards and catalogs and a ton of
> little
> > glass stones.
> >
> > It's my "I'm doing a demo" box.
> >
> >  -Bob
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: icehouse-bounces at lists.looneylabs.com
> > [mailto:icehouse-bounces at lists.looneylabs.com] On Behalf Of Carl Worth
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:52 AM
> > To: Icehouse Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Laser-cut Icehouse storage
> >
> > On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:31:52 -0700, David Artman wrote:
> > > I *is* a nice case, but I'd have to agree with Bob regarding all the
> > > loose items. Plus, if you have no tubes, you can't play Moon Shot, Ice
> > > Golf, or Drip (some of the cooler dexterity games, IMHO).
> >
> > I've gone back and forth about the tubes. Originally, I carried my
> > pyramids tubeless, (but packed fairly tight), in a small case and I
> > liked that.
> >
> > More recently, I've been carrying things tubed up and the tubes all
> > thrown fairly loosely into a small bag. And I have taught both Moon
> > Shot and Drip with some good success with that, (I should take another
> > look at Ice Golf sometime).
> >
> > But one thing that still annoys me about the tubes is getting at the
> > pyramids I need. I still go back and forth between keeping each tube
> > filled Treehouse-like or single-color. And invariably if I want to
> > play a game like Icetowers requiring single colors I find my tubes all
> > Treehoused, and when I keep the tubes holding single-color stashes
> > someone asks to play Martian Coasters.
> >
> > So when Simon showed me his case photos earlier, he mentioned how easy
> > it is to pull out a single row of pyramids and leave the others
> > undisturbed. And that definitely sounds appealing. There's still the
> > rows-vs-columns conundrum for colors, but it looks easier to handle
> > the "wrong" arrangement with Simon's case rather than with tubes.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I've twice found that a tube lid has popped off leading to
> > a bunch of spilled pyramids at the bottom of my bag. But fortunately I
> > haven't lost anything to that yet.
> >
> > -Carl
> >
> > PS. But any excuse for doing laser-cutting is super-cool anyway. I'm
> > quite looking forward to services like ponoko.com growing up and
> > becoming affordable enough that I can get custom-shaped acrylic any
> > time I feel like it.
> >
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> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:41:26 -0500
> From: Marc Hartstein <marc.hartstein at alum.vassar.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Laser-cut Icehouse storage
> To: icehouse at lists.looneylabs.com
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> On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 09:31:52AM -0700, David Artman wrote:
> > Not saying "Mine is better'n yours; nyah!" Just pointing out how I feel
> > a storage system should also protect that which is being stored; and if
> > you get a bad drop and scatter your mids, they are likely to suffer
> > unnecessary chips or scratches. Heh... just like clay poker chips in
> > such cases, I reckon. :)
>
> It looks to me as though the foam should hold the pyramids snugly
> against the acrylic, so I wouldn't expect things to move around much if
> you drop the case while it's closed.
>
> Are you saying you expect there to be a real risk of a drop popping the
> latch, that you evaluate the safety of the items inside for a closed
> drop differently than I, or are you concerned about a drop off the table
> while the case is open?  I'm wondering if I'm missing something . . ..
>
> If I were designing the case I might see if I could get a second layer
> of foam in the bottom, though.  That looks like it lacks one, which
> makes me a touch nervous.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:50:43 +0100
> From: Simon Budig <simon at budig.de>
> Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Laser-cut Icehouse storage
> To: icehouse at lists.looneylabs.com
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> Bob Winans (rwinans at stny.rr.com) wrote:
> > Just out of curiosity how much did the cut sheets cost you?
>
> It actually is not that easy to tell  :)
>
> Cutting cost + Material were about 40 USD according to the ponoko.com
> website (I did not yet see the credit card invoice though). Shipping was
> free due to a promotion from ponoco. I actually did cut some other stuff
> as well, in total the site stated a invoice value of 63 USD.
>
> Customs however assumed that "$" refers to NZD and hence the customs
> stuff seems to be a bit lower than the actual price. However, since the
> invoice (obviously) did not state any shipping cost, the german customs
> office took some magical shipping cost from some magical table: 110 EUR
> (Yikes!) of which 79% apparently contribute to the customs-value as
> well. I ended up paying customs for 119.65 EUR (6.5%: 7.78 EUR) plus
> Import sales taxes for a value of 150.53 EUR (19%: 28.60 EUR) - I have
> no clue where this number comes from actually. Apparently the customs
> value multiplied with some magical factor.
>
> Summa summarum: additional fees of 36.38 EUR plus a 20 EUR "service fee"
> for the import handling by TNT.
>
> This dodgy math at least doubled the price. No, I won't do it again
> unless ponoko has a contractor within germany...  :-/
>
> Which of course sucks, because the service itself rocks.
>
> This makes it a way more expensive case than I planned, but at least I
> learned something (the hard way).
>
> Given that the benefit of the lower sheet of the insert is not that much
> you could do two identical inserts and get two for the price of 40 USD
> at Ponoko. Which makes it more reasonable. I am also pondering about a
> modular system which would allow being more flexible with the insert and
> might be more plastic-efficient, but this is thought-experiments for
> now.
>
> Bye,
>        Simon
> --
>              simon at budig.de              http://simon.budig.de/
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:59:47 +0100
> From: "Jorge Arroyo" <trozo at makasoft.net>
> Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Laser-cut Icehouse storage
> To: "Icehouse Discussion List" <icehouse at lists.looneylabs.com>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Maybe you should have looked for a laser cutting service within Germany,
> or
> at least the EU :) I have a laser cutter I use to make piecepack sets and
> other games/puzzles for my shop (in Spain) but I'm sure you can find a
> service even closer...
>
> -Jorge
>
> On Jan 8, 2008 8:50 PM, Simon Budig <simon at budig.de> wrote:
>
> > Bob Winans (rwinans at stny.rr.com) wrote:
> > > Just out of curiosity how much did the cut sheets cost you?
> >
> > It actually is not that easy to tell  :)
> >
> > Cutting cost + Material were about 40 USD according to the ponoko.com
> > website (I did not yet see the credit card invoice though). Shipping was
> > free due to a promotion from ponoco. I actually did cut some other stuff
> > as well, in total the site stated a invoice value of 63 USD.
> >
> > Customs however assumed that "$" refers to NZD and hence the customs
> > stuff seems to be a bit lower than the actual price. However, since the
> > invoice (obviously) did not state any shipping cost, the german customs
> > office took some magical shipping cost from some magical table: 110 EUR
> > (Yikes!) of which 79% apparently contribute to the customs-value as
> > well. I ended up paying customs for 119.65 EUR (6.5%: 7.78 EUR) plus
> > Import sales taxes for a value of 150.53 EUR (19%: 28.60 EUR) - I have
> > no clue where this number comes from actually. Apparently the customs
> > value multiplied with some magical factor.
> >
> > Summa summarum: additional fees of 36.38 EUR plus a 20 EUR "service fee"
> > for the import handling by TNT.
> >
> > This dodgy math at least doubled the price. No, I won't do it again
> > unless ponoko has a contractor within germany...  :-/
> >
> > Which of course sucks, because the service itself rocks.
> >
> > This makes it a way more expensive case than I planned, but at least I
> > learned something (the hard way).
> >
> > Given that the benefit of the lower sheet of the insert is not that much
> > you could do two identical inserts and get two for the price of 40 USD
> > at Ponoko. Which makes it more reasonable. I am also pondering about a
> > modular system which would allow being more flexible with the insert and
> > might be more plastic-efficient, but this is thought-experiments for
> > now.
> >
> > Bye,
> >        Simon
> > --
> >              simon at budig.de              http://simon.budig.de/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Icehouse mailing list
> > Icehouse at lists.looneylabs.com
> > http://lists.looneylabs.com/mailman/listinfo/icehouse
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