[Icehouse] IGDC Winter 2008 is ready for announcement tomorrow!

[Bob Winans]

O.K.

 

Let a new voice try to shed a light on this.

 

Jorge: yes you have a point that some games could be played with other
pieces.

 

As an example let's use CHESS.

 

I *could* cut up a bunch of paper squares, write the letters Q,K,P,B,Kn,R in
red on one set and black on another, creating a chess set.

I *might* do this to play test the game, if I didn't already have a chess
set.

 

If I like the game, I would then probably BUY a chess set.

 

Not because I couldn't continue to play with the paper pieces, but that the
game is more enjoyable with the proper pieces.

 

The spirit of the contest is to promote the sale of a second set by
increasing the number of games that can be played with TWO sets of
treehouse.

 

The thing we (as a group) should strive to avoid is a game that SAYS it
requires two sets, but could EASILY be played with one set.  (See the blue
vs. blue & green example below)

 

This is what I believe David is trying to communicate to you.

 

 

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From: icehouse-bounces at lists.looneylabs.com
[mailto:icehouse-bounces at lists.looneylabs.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Arroyo
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:02 AM
To: Icehouse Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Icehouse] IGDC Winter 2008 is ready for announcement tomorrow!

 

Wow, not even an apology for your BIG mistake and accusations... 

On 11/9/07, David Artman <david at davidartman.com > wrote:

> From: "Jorge Arroyo" < trozo at makasoft.net <mailto:trozo at makasoft.net> >
> Let me apologize: my example is not the best one because in your game the
> stacking properties are used. It could be played with one set but would be
> unconfortable...

Really? I can't see how... it takes 23 pyramids, 8 more than are in a
set.


Do I have to say this again? By using some other token for the public. It'd
be VERY unconfortable but it could be done... Furthermore, If I had only one
set, be sure that I'd do that to try the game if it was at all possible,
before buying a second set. 

That's my main point about this argument, which you fail to counter. You
decide where the line is and when a game is "artificially" requiring a
second set. I say it's an arbitrary distinction, because almost any game
could be played with less pyramids. 

 

> is what I posted: "Id vote for a XHOUSE type of restriction, specifically
I 
> think 1HOUSE would be best, but I'd go with the 3HOUSE limit. Also, I
think
> more games that make creative use of the Martian Coasters are needed, so
> those two restrictions are what I'd vote for... 
> --Maka<http://www.icehousegames.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Maka>19:39,
> 27 October 2007 (EDT)"

Ah, OK, sorry. Didn't know you are "Maka". But... uh, you voted for 
(some form of) xHOUSE restriction, so...?


Yes, because that was the debate back then. This was before the 2HOUSE
restriction was specified. And with my vote, I supported a limit, which
implies "up to" a number of sets. So, with my vote I was supporting the same
views as I'm supporting now. 
 

> I'm sorry you have so very little patience, but that is not a reason to
stop 
> discussing something...

I think "discussion" ended about the third or fourth repetition of the
reasons for the restriction.


A discussion ends when both parties agree it ends. If someone shuts their
ears and shouts "la la la I can't hear you" it doesn't mean it ended... 
 

 

Further, I think I have shown a lot of patience, given how much time
I've expended explaining this to one person (I wonder how much patience 
the list, in general, has for this continuing). *I'm* sorry you find my
effort and the patience it required (and used up) to be "so very
little."


My comment was just referring to your own sentence: "OK... I think I've
exhausted my arguments. (I know I've exhausted my patience.)" 

It has nothing to do with what I think.

-Jorge

 

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