[Eco] Recycling and P&T's Bullshit

[Jonathan Grabert]

Well, okay, then even assuming it's in the hundreds, that's still an awfully 
long time.  Especially considering that we've been using oil for less than 
200 years.  Plenty of time for a new source of energy to emerge.

But even the predictions can't account for what isn't discovered.  Could 
they have guessed the recent breakthrough in harvesting from shale?

The point is that we're in no danger of running out of oil, and considering 
the advances in solar power, we'll have that well before the oil is gone.

J/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Cooper" <jwcooper at pop600.gsfc.nasa.gov>
To: "Eco Foundation Discussion List" <eco at lists.looneylabs.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Eco] Recycling and P&T's Bullshit


> On Jan 31, 2007, at 13:24, Jonathan Grabert wrote:
>
>> If you assume that there are no new discoveries of oil deposits, if you 
>> assume there are no advances in technology to extract more from current 
>> deposits, if you assume there are no advances in technology to mine other 
>> sources of oil (like shale), if you assume that processes that use oil 
>> aren't made more efficient, then MAYBE those estimates would be correct. 
>> But that's an awful lot of assumptions, and they go against the entire 
>> history of oil production.
>
> From what I've read, peak oil theories predict the production peak, and 
> include those assumptions. There are a lot of assumptions, and that is why 
> there is a lot of disagreement, but I *think* the predictions are in the 
> hundreds, not thousands, of years. I'll look for data.
>>
>> Keep in mind that, when adjusted for inflation, the price of oil has gone 
>> DOWN, not up.  That's hardly indicitive of a lack of supply.
>
> This graph seems to contradict your claim:
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Oil_Prices_1861_2006.jpg>
>
> :-j
>
>>
>> J/
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Cooper" 
>> <jwcooper at pop600.gsfc.nasa.gov>
>> To: "Eco Foundation Discussion List" <eco at lists.looneylabs.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Eco] Recycling and P&T's Bullshit
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:37, Jonathan Grabert wrote:
>>>
>>>> Again, we are in absolutely no danger of running out of oil for 
>>>> thousands of years.
>>>
>>> Thousands? I thought current conservative estimates were between 50 and 
>>> 200 years. I'll have to look again. This will no doubt start another 
>>> thread...
>>>
>>> :-j
>>
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