[Eco] BS on the BS

[ginohn]

On Jan 30, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Jonathan Grabert wrote:

> Just because these guys are libertarians doesn't mean that they're  
> wrong. You're attacking the messenger, not the message.  (Not that  
> calling someone a libertarian is necessarily an attack, but in this  
> case it is.)

Again, sorry about the attack. Didn't want it to be perceived that  
way, and now that I read it again, I can see how it would be  
perceived that way. See my previous post.
>
> Like you, I felt like I had to study up on what was said in the  
> program.  I went back and read the sources, and some other  
> information.  (I'd recommend Bjorn Lomborg's _The Skeptical  
> Environmentalist_, which was featured in P&T's season 1 episode on  
> the environment.)  What I've read absolutely supports what P&T  
> say.  It takes money, energy, and time to recycle paper, and the  
> net effect is *bad* for the environment.

I disagree with many of Lomborg's arguments. I read parts of his book  
and some articles he wrote a few years ago, and don't mind reading  
more. Maybe I'll borrow his book from the library.
>
> Lastly, I just wanted to say that it's really good of Andy to  
> promote this discussion.  It takes a lot of courage for him to even  
> consider denouncing recycling.  I take a lot of heat for it, but  
> for Andy, a self-proclaimed hippy, to do so is even bigger.

I agree. I've had many wonderful conversations with Andy, and even  
when we don't agree he's very willing to listen to my side, and  
actually consider changing his mind. (Many people have trouble doing  
this.) I only hope that I can be so strong in my critical thinking  
skills as he is. Likewise, I admire how Andy can speak his mind, even  
about potentially inflammable issues.

In this case, I would love it if Andy came over to my side of the  
recycling debate, but if he doesn't I will at least know that he  
thought carefully about it. That's a good thought.  :)

:-j
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